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Welcome to episode 232 of The Inner Confidence Podcast “Love Unlocked: The Cross-Cultural Guide to Day Game Mastery”. In this exciting episode, we’re honored to host the legendary St. Robert Daygame, as we dive deep into the international dating scene. St. Robert opens up about his transformative journey, and why he believes in doing the right thing in the complex world of dating. Listen in as we delve into the intriguing differences between Russian and American pickup communities, and the nuances of dating in Russia and Ukraine. With St. Robert’s global expertise, we explore why being a ‘dating coach’ demands international experience and understandings. Prepare for some hard truths and crucial strategies to help you navigate the tricky waters of day game. This episode is brimming with essential advice from a true master, so whether you’re a pro or just starting out in the dating scene, there’s something for everyone. Join us for a riveting conversation that will surely revolutionize your approach to dating across borders.Join the Webinar – https://www.daygamecourses.com/r8020webinar
05:39 – “Never published a day-game video? Find out why in this insightful episode.”

06:48 – “The right thing isn’t always rewarding – our guest, St. Robert Daygame shares his transformative realization.”

10:33 – “How does the Russian 🇷🇺 pickup community measure up against the US 🇺🇸? Tune in for an exciting comparison!”

11:51 – “Discover why directness might be your secret weapon when dating Ukrainian and Russian girls.”

13:55 – “Before calling yourself a dating coach, you must succeed globally. Learn why!”

15:11 – “Russian 🇷🇺 vs Ukrainian 🇺🇦 girls – We expose the truth about why Russian girls might not be so honest.”

18:44 – “Ruin your day game with these 7 mistakes? Absolutely not! Learn what to avoid from our guest.”

21:40 – “No one teaches you what works? We’re here to spill the truth that no one else will.”

26:56 – “Millions of TikTok views but no clients? Find out why your average viewer isn’t on TikTok.”

30:26 – “Not every dating coach is for you – tune in to discover how to pick the right one!”

34:29 – “Good at day-game means you’re good at sales – our discussion unravels the connection!”

38:28 – “Are you a beginner using any opening line? Learn why it might not work for you!”

40:36 – “Natural game vs Structure game – our guest illuminates why structure may be your best bet!”

50:08 – “Ever wondered why you should avoid watching in field reports? We dissect the reasons.”

53:23 – “Learn how our host scored a win from watching YouTube prankster ‘Vitaly’.”

55:02 – “Beginner day game mistakes! Tune in to fix your fundamentals!”

59:47 – “Good in field videos aren’t free? Our guest dives into the reasons why!”

01:01:32 – “Our guest spotted game-changing details in field game videos. Tune in to learn what they are!”

01:08:04 – “Day game vs Social game strategy – learn why the latter might attract more quality women!”

01:09:28 – “Day game isn’t the best way to get laid for everyone – find out why!”

01:11:07 – “Ready for more? Sign up for our webinar!”

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Transcript

St. Robert Daygame [00:00:00]:

I tried to do the right thing, and I tried to figure it out, and I was reading books and learning about relationships. It just wasn’t working.

Robbie Kramer [00:00:05]:

How can I rapidly escalate during day game alike?

St. Robert Daygame [00:00:08]:

Dude, me.

Robbie Kramer [00:00:10]:

I was considering running across the street. I noticed a huge truck was coming by, but I knew if I beat that truck the other side, I wouldn’t die. So this is me coming to meet you. I almost got killed by that truck. I deserve a medal where I come from.

St. Robert Daygame [00:00:20]:

And people from Russia messaged me and explained to me why they cheat.

Robbie Kramer [00:00:24]:

What’s your excuse for not making out with us right now? And then I just put the girls heads together and they kiss. And then we kiss, and we have threesome. Welcome to the Inner Confidence Podcast, where we bring you men’s dating and lifestyle advice that doesn’t suck. I’m your host, Robbie Kramer, a former collegiate golfer turned poker pro turned finance guy who became obsessed with learning about male female attraction and dynamics, and passionate about teaching men how to improve and optimize their love life. Tune in each week and we’ll bring you the latest and greatest strategies on how to get more dates, how to build a thriving social circle that brings the best men and women into your life, how to become a better networker, and how to design a lifestyle that makes all your buddies jealous. If you’re new to the show, I recommend you download my First Date Protocol. It’s the best piece of content I have. It’ll help you optimize your first date and subsequent dates. And I like to connect with my listeners personally, so if you want to grab a copy of that, please send me a direct message on Instagram. I’m at Robbie Kramer. Now let’s dive into this week’s content. All right, well, I’m excited because we obviously talk about daygame on this podcast, and we’ve talked about daygame a lot, but we have St. Robert, and I’m saying that with an Scottish accent because my name is also Robert, and it’s fun to say it like this. St. Robert Day game is back. I think we’ve done how many episodes together? Like five or six.

St. Robert Daygame [00:01:44]:

Two or three. I think we’ve done two or three on each podcast. Two or three being on yours and you being on mine a few times. Yeah. So definitely like four to six total for sure.

Robbie Kramer [00:01:55]:

And I don’t know two people that have coached more guys in day game than us. Well, there’s some other guys, but I’ve had all those guys on the podcast too. So we’re two pretty big fucking experts on Day Game, and we’re going to really break down some of the lesser known things about how guys get stuck in their day game journey, what you can sort of expect in the day game journey. It can be a very frustrating, difficult process, of course. And St. Robert, you designed a really cool flow for this talk. So let’s dive in.

St. Robert Daygame [00:02:32]:

So many no guys. When I’m not looking at camera, it just means I’m looking at all the nodes, like several pages. But one thing I want to make clear, the things we’re not going to be talking about today, I’m not going to tell you to just do more volume because you’re not going out enough. And I’m not going to be teaching you, like you have to use these stacks and this type of teasing and this great story, and then everything is going to work. Or it’s not going to be like a simple one solution, because those solutions don’t matter. We’re going to be talking about the big fundamental things. Because after being in this field as a coach for more or less five years, I think I’ve been coaching for more or less five years, I realized that, yes, there are a lot of guys there are a lot of guys gaming on and off, but most of them are just not succeeding. And whenever they reach out to me to learn about Day game, I see that they are making the same mistakes. And those mistakes are so big that it’s not even worth talking about things like what’s the best opener? Or how should I build attraction? Or should I invite her to watch a movie or for a drink, or to sit on a balcony? Like what’s the seat? We’re going to be talking about the big things and I’m just going to run quickly through how do you call it, the table of contents. First of all, we’re going to be talking about why most content on Day Game and dating in general sucks because I didn’t know that. I thought that YouTube is full with good content. But one day in Mexico years ago, I was not sober at all, let’s put it like that. And I searched on YouTube Day Game because I thought, okay, let’s see what guys have there. There’s a lot of good content and I was shocked by what I saw, the quality of videos and infills and it was unbelievable. So definitely we’re going to talk about that and why that content still works and why you see videos with 100,000 views, with half a million views but the content there, any intermediate day gamer would understand that that’s complete nonsense. And I’m going to end this talking point with helping you understand how to figure out whose content is good and whose content is not good. Not by saying you should listen to me because maybe I’m not the right guy for everyone. But I’m going to give you a three step formula how you can understand, okay, you found a YouTube channel you like and how you can understand whether that’s a guy you want to learn from, whether that’s a guy you want to work with. Second big topic we’re going to talk about, we’re going to be talking about natural game and structured game. And again, I’m not going to be playing just for one team, just for saying only structured game even though that’s what I coach, or only natural game. There is a time and place for structured game and there is a time and place for natural game. But if you want to do just one of those, you’re not going to reach the top level of day game, your peak potential. So we’re going to go over that and then we’re going to talk about the big topic, a topic that makes me a little bit controversial. We’re going to be talking about day game infield videos because I have never published an infield video and I will never publish in the future infield video for many reasons. But I’m going to explain why.

Robbie Kramer [00:05:56]:

Because I’ve published a handful of them. I don’t really publish them. I mean, they’re on YouTube. People can search Robbie Kramer plus Day Game infield, but it’s mainly as a training for the guys that are in my interconfidence community that I reference. But that’s really interesting. You haven’t published any and I’m really curious to hear about that.

St. Robert Daygame [00:06:20]:

I’ve never published. I’m going to talk about more reasons why. But one is I have four sisters and I would really feel bad if I saw my sister in an infield video, but that’s not important. I want to talk about why infields are a terrible way for beginners to learn day game. Whereas if you have maybe 15 day game lays then infields become an amazing way to learn day game. But for beginners it’s a big, big mistake. Interesting. So a little bit if you guys haven’t seen me before on your show very shortly about me. I used to be like a real classical relationship type of guy and I was always kind of in my relationships and each of them lasted a few years. And I tried to do the right thing and I tried to figure it out and I was reading books on learning about relationships. It just wasn’t working. And then I googled about statistics about relationships and I realized, oh wait, like marriages, 50% end in divorce and depending on country, in many countries it’s even worse. I think US is even worse and everyone’s struggling. And the more I tried to be the nice guy, the more I struggled. And then looking at the statistics, I told myself, well, maybe I’m not the idiot. Maybe the way people are building relationships and doing all those things, maybe the system, maybe the model is wrong. And I basically asked myself, well, if this doesn’t work, I’m going to start exploring what works. And it of course began with a lot of Day game. I was daygaming crazy, basically. People who worked in the malls in the center of Regal Atvia where I was daygaming, they knew my face.

Robbie Kramer [00:08:03]:

What convinced you to do day game?

St. Robert Daygame [00:08:06]:

I don’t like partying. I’ve never liked clubs. And loud places. I’m more of a date type of a person. I go to bed not at 05:00 a.m. I go to bed at like eleven, like midnight is late for me. Then I start kind of judging being you should go to bed earlier. It’s not healthy. So I just think Day game is healthy. I’ve never been into online or I’ve tried it, but the quality there, unless you really know what you’re doing with what you’re teaching, that’s a different topic. But yeah, they can just seem normal to me. You see a girl on the street, she’s beautiful and I wanted to say hi sometimes and I just couldn’t I couldn’t get her the courage. I remember when I was, when I was younger, I saw a girl in a bus and I was thinking, oh my God, what could I say? And I never did it until well, I discovered Day Game and I dig him for a long time. And I’ve coached guys from literally all over the world. US and USA and Canada and Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong, and I don’t know, Israel and Dubai and all over Europe and UK. And I’ve traveled to coach to different parts of the world, like several places in Latin America and New York City and Chicago and Toronto and obviously all of the Europe. And actually the guy who put me on a map was Tom Torreiro going to take one of the grandfathers of Day Game. He put me on a map because he invited me on his podcast and I was just before he actually encouraged me to start coaching when I met him, when he heard about my results.

Robbie Kramer [00:09:48]:

One of the reasons I love interviewing about Day Game is because you’re one of the other few guys who have both run Day Game and coach Day Game in all those places like I have too. And it’s very interesting. We actually did another show, specifically, I think on your show about Day Game in Turkey. But anyways, just wanted to interject with that little tidbit.

St. Robert Daygame [00:10:14]:

Continue. I just wanted to give like a short five minute, three minute intro about who I am and where I’ve been. And I coached for Tuscan and I worked with the biggest Russian speaking gaming community. The biggest. They have like hundreds of thousands of people.

Robbie Kramer [00:10:34]:

I was going to ask that. Is the Russian.

St. Robert Daygame [00:10:38]:

Model Russian speaking?

Robbie Kramer [00:10:40]:

Well, is the Russian speaking community comparable in size to the Western english speaking?

St. Robert Daygame [00:10:47]:

Very big, but it’s completely different. Their approach is very different. They walk with girls. Surprisingly, the model they use for dates is almost the same. Like the principles, the escalation ladder and all the steps you do, how you start with verbal in these ways and then you move into physical escalation and fooling and very similar things. What’s different for dates for them is how they deal with when a girl kind of feels it’s a little bit too fast in the Western world, you have just you chill out or you kind of do a little bit of push pull, whereas they have a very different approach to it. Their approach works in that part of the world. But I don’t know a lot of guys who have successfully used that model in the Western world. It’s just the Western world is so different. And I know guys who have gotten actually into problem, into trouble in New York where girls have called the police and stuff like that.

Robbie Kramer [00:11:51]:

Well, in my experience, living in Ukraine for four years and spending some time in Russia dating lots of Russian Slavic girls, in my experience, just from a really basic one liner, being more direct and more assertive works a lot better in that part of the world. Okay.

St. Robert Daygame [00:12:17]:

This works incredibly well in kind of the Eastern more kind of like the further east you go, the better it works.

Robbie Kramer [00:12:25]:

Right?

St. Robert Daygame [00:12:26]:

And then you go to Latin America and I really have to chill out and become much more soft is not the right more bohemian, you could say. Yeah, I have to become this more fluid guy. I am this bearded, shaved head, tattooed guy. I used to have a nose ring and this beard is nothing. You feel like a way beard.

Robbie Kramer [00:12:50]:

Ever seen the movie Eastern Promises?

St. Robert Daygame [00:12:53]:

No.

Robbie Kramer [00:12:54]:

You should watch that. It’s like a funny depiction of what you’re describing. You don’t look Eastern Promises, but the guys in that movie, like the hardcore Slavic looking tatted up, got the big crosses, like going to fuck you up. Extremely masculine dominant.

St. Robert Daygame [00:13:11]:

Anyway, that works in Eastern. But for those guys when they go to the Western car and I know a lot of guys and by the way, the guys who are really good in their movement, they’re doing so good in that environment, the stats they’re getting are through the roof, next level. I don’t know guys in the west who are getting results like that, actually. But again, those same good guys go to the west and they will just be destroyed there. So I’ve kind of seen that part of the world of day game and dating, and I’ve seen the Europe part and I’ve seen how it works in Latin America and I’ve coached a bunch of guys from US.

Robbie Kramer [00:13:56]:

Yeah, that’s the other thing that’s so cool. It’s like until you’ve successfully learned to communicate with women kind of all over the globe. I feel like you don’t really have any business being a dating coach because you’re going to bump into client situations where they’re meeting. A girl who’s of Russian descent in Miami. And you’re going to treat that girl a lot differently than the Latina Brazilian that you met in Miami. And these guys are just trying to apply the same basic principles. They’re completely forgetting there’s this humongous cultural thing. The way the girl was raised is going to very much contribute to how she’s going to be attracted to a guy, what she’s going to find interesting, and whether or not you’re going to be successful with that girl. Dude. I feel like we could discuss the differences between Eastern and Western stuff all day, but maybe a different podcast.

St. Robert Daygame [00:14:56]:

I’ve done that topic on James Tusk podcast. I think we did kind of east versus Eastern versus Western. I’ve even done Russian versus Ukrainian kind of what are differences between them? Because there are differences. I’ve definitely noticed Russians will cheat.

Robbie Kramer [00:15:15]:

Russians, I found, are a lot more like gangster than Ukrainian girls. Ukrainian girls? Ukrainian girls, I feel, are very savvy. They’re like human lie detectors. I think they’re a little bit, I don’t know, like craftier. Maybe they’ve got a little bit better detection. But Russian girls are much more savage. Like, they don’t give a fuck.

St. Robert Daygame [00:15:35]:

Yeah, but there is a sweeping generalization before we jump into the big day game things, you know, I like having all these conversations. So there’s one thing to mention about Russian girls when I say they cheat and things like that. I published a podcast about that and then I get some backlash and people from Russia message me and explain to me why they cheat. And it turns out it’s because of social kind of stigma about a girl being single. So she will be in a relationship with a guy she hates, just not enough until she finds someone better. Or she will pretend that she’s in a relationship when she meets someone, she will say she’s taken when she’s actually not. So that’s like a real small I just wanted to clarify these sort of guys and I don’t think, oh, all the Russian girls are like this. No, it’s not like it’s, it’s it’s because of social stigma. But, but with Ukrainians, I’m I’m really surprised how they know their stuff, they know their values, and if they want to have fun, they’ll have fun and they will enjoy that. But if they are taken like, I had a rule, I spent three months in in hardy of Ukraine if I was in a set and then she said she has a boyfriend, I just have a nice day by. I learned that there’s no point in continuing this conversation. The Russian speaking guys are cheap. Yeah, but I know the Russian speaking guys, they were doing really good with those as well. And they were taking girls who have never done that to crazy sex parties and things like that. But again, they were playing it next level. I don’t know how to do that with those type of types of girls. So anyways, let’s start talking about the first big point. And again, as I said, guys, I don’t want to give you the seven mistakes that are keeping you from succeeding when they game. We’re going to talk about the big picture things. If you’re making these mistakes and those small things, they just don’t matter. Those are small nuances. You need first to kind of figure out the big stuff. And even if you have like maybe 5710 day gameplays, you might still be making these mistakes, unfortunately. Especially if you’re a good looking guy, then try going to a harder city.

Robbie Kramer [00:17:52]:

Anyway, the first five to seven day game lays. That’s no slouch. It can take guys that’s pretty good. It can take a while to get to that.

St. Robert Daygame [00:18:03]:

Yes. That’s why I said if you’re really good looking, then be careful with your kind of confidence. Maybe that’s because you’re really good looking and you’re in a place where girls really like day game. I know cases like that, but seven to eight, it means already, yeah, you know what day game is all about. Because I look at day game at four phases that day gamers go through. We were going to talk about that at the end. And we’re going to be talking we’re going to be running a different free, completely free webinar where we’re going to be talking about 80 20 of day game. What are the few small things you have to focus on in each part of day game to get to the next phase, to get to the next level? But we’re going to talk about that later. But again, anyways, mistake number one is watching the wrong content. And this is very, very common when you’re just beginning, when you’re just googling how to meet girls and you find the day game and you just go day game approach. And you start watching videos and you start seeing guys approaching girls on the street and kind of talking about game. I just wanted to quickly talk about why most day game and dating content sucks. And there are a few reasons why people like to publish day game content. The content that beginners are watching the stuff where you see a guy approach a girl on the street and he gets numbers. You see him get so many numbers or oh my God, you see a guy kiss a girl on the street five minutes after over year.

Robbie Kramer [00:19:33]:

Oh my God. Every fucking oh my God.

St. Robert Daygame [00:19:36]:

All guys.

Robbie Kramer [00:19:37]:

How can I rapidly escalate during day game? I’m like, dude, you’re asking the wrong question. Anyway, you can do that.

St. Robert Daygame [00:19:45]:

But that number is going to flick. You’re either going to get a same delay, that’s kind of the stuff. What was the guy’s name? One of the big good guys. He was good, but the stuff he teaches I’ve talked of you guys and they were not happy. But damn, he was bodies with Tom Torero. Really good guy. Never shows his face.

Robbie Kramer [00:20:04]:

Yad or whatever.

St. Robert Daygame [00:20:06]:

No, Yad. Yad shows his face. Yad is incredible. Actually. Not as a teacher, but as a daygamer. He’s incredible. Doesn’t matter, guys. The guy who was talking about super fast escalation on the street, you guys know who I’m talking about. If you’ve seen his videos, he’s an incredible day gamer but he was talking about a lot. Anyways, there are several reasons why people are posting content like that and why they are so good at making that content so kind of clickbaity. First of all, the first reason guys post content about digging is bragging rights. You get bragging rights not only if you are a coach and then you kind of say oh look at I kiss clothes, the girl on the street. Can you do that? No, I can’t. Come here, I’ll teach you. But also casual day gamers. I’ve met a bunch of day gamers who are just your normal average day gamer. Not great, not terrible. An average duty is getting laid like once in a while in the right place and with the right girl. And these guys were recording infills and posting those influence on YouTube and simply for the bragging rights. They’re not making any money from it and they’re not teaching but they like to record. They have all the gear, cameras, mics and everything. They like to do that. So that’s number one. People just like bragging rights, whether that’s coaches or just regular daygamers. And of course the other reason is to sell you more stuff and what people are really good at doing you’re in general see that in content marketing people will not teach you stuff that works. People will not tell you on the video stuff that works. They will tell you stuff that will make you click subscribe, will make you join their mailing list, will make you buy their magical online course. They will teach you stuff that gets you to do all of those things, not the things that are getting you laid because for them it’s more important to sell you stuff, not to teach you how day game actually works. Because when you give out dry day game advice and I’m known I’m a cliche dry day gamer, like my videos are me in front of a camera, talking head, not a lot of kind of graphics, not a lot of editing, terrible production quality. And I just go through step by step what do you have to do?

Robbie Kramer [00:22:35]:

That’s what all my business coaches over the last ten years have told me. They’re like stop giving away all the really good information and strategy because no one’s buying it. They all want quick, easy, painless, instant results and they want to be bullshitted, right? And I’m here giving like solid, applicable, really actionable advice and no one’s like oh yeah, that seems a little bit hard. I’m just going to buy this guy’s magic.

St. Robert Daygame [00:23:00]:

Yeah, I’m just going to buy this online course. I’m just going to go on this boot camp with like seven other guys and each going to pay five k. You know how this works, you know the industry and so that’s the second reason. And the third is simply doing random TikToks and influencer stuff because you actually see TikTokers and YouTubers influencers with millions of subscribers go and approach girls on the street, in parks, in very different situations. They’ll even show the girl that they’re recording. Sometimes yes, sometimes not. They have to show their recording. By the way, they are smart and they don’t want to get canceled. The girl has to know it’s being recorded. There are rules around that but YouTube isn’t doing anything about that. But it’s actually illegal in Europe as far as I know. So you will see a lot of guys like that. They will be talking to girls, they’ll be getting numbers. But the thing that guys don’t understand is that those numbers are flaking and basically whatever resonates with sad guys sitting in their apartment believing that women are taking over the world, feminists are evil or whatever. There is a part of guys, there’s a lot of guys like that online. Whatever resonates with those guys, there’s going to be a lot of content about that. For example, I’ve seen these videos on YouTube where guys saying oh, you have to stop simping over girls and how this guy rejected this girl who wanted him and well this random dude who isn’t getting laid is talking about rejecting girls because she’s dressed too slutty. There is a lot of hatred towards women so there’s a lot of content for these types of people as well. But of course the reality is that these guys who are rejecting girls and not sinking, they are not sleeping with a lot of girls or any girls at all and they’re definitely not being in quality relationships if that’s what they’re looking for. They simply couldn’t fix their dating life and started hating women. And of course there’s a lot of videos about guys saying that this is mostly reddit. Like I kind of went on a spiral one day just to kind of explore and there’s guys complaining that all these girls, the princess looking girls who are like dressing so sexy, like they can’t get a quality man because a quality man won’t be with a girl like that. He cares more about. Well if you’ve been in the dating world long enough and you’ve been doing good, you’ll start to learn that those girls are getting the best men because a lot of those women aren’t just beautiful but a lot of them are smart. Someone looking very good and beautiful and dressing sexy isn’t a reason to dismiss them. And basically that’s kind of the fourth part of content is just content against women. And a lot of people like watching that because, well, it makes them, they.

Robbie Kramer [00:26:16]:

Feel empathized with, they feel heard.

St. Robert Daygame [00:26:20]:

Oh yeah, I struggle at dating. Turns out the women are everyone’s a.

Robbie Kramer [00:26:26]:

Problem except for me.

St. Robert Daygame [00:26:30]:

Of course. I wouldn’t say it’s like the biggest part of content. There is a lot of stuff like that and that gets a lot of views. But there is also a lot of day game content where actually guys are trying talking about Day Game and teaching Day game, whether that’s through showing their recordings and maybe explaining what they’re doing or they are explaining day game on videos or giving step by step stuff like I do. So there’s a lot of that stuff. Let’s say I don’t think your average viewer is watching TikTok influencers approaching girls or hating women. I think there’s a very small percentage of your audience and my audience. I don’t think people like that are kind of following us. They’re watching other stuff.

Robbie Kramer [00:27:14]:

I grew my TikTok to 20,000 followers a couple of years ago and didn’t get a single client. Not even a single phone call from that 20,000. I had millions.

St. Robert Daygame [00:27:27]:

You were putting out millions of views.

Robbie Kramer [00:27:31]:

Not a single inbound lead. I was like, Fuck, TikTok, what a joke.

St. Robert Daygame [00:27:37]:

TikTok.

Robbie Kramer [00:27:38]:

Now I’m throttled. I post it all the time. And my videos only get 200 views. All of them get 200 views each. And if they even showed it to my followers, I’d get more than 200 views. Anyways, sorry.

St. Robert Daygame [00:27:49]:

Keep going. Yeah, it’s like my YouTube channel. But guys who are learning digging, who are not doing these dumb things, they are watching content and they’re trying to find content that’s actually legit because there’s a lot of content out there and a beginner if you don’t know what works and whatnot. It’s easy to be talking to a lot of dumb stuff. It’s easy to be seduced. Yes.

Robbie Kramer [00:28:20]:

It’s so easy to just go on YouTube or any of these social media platforms and they’re going to show you the stuff that’s already popular, right? And pretty soon you’re like 45 minutes deep into a red pill, nonsensical video about fucking blah, blah, blah. And it’s like, why aren’t we watching.

St. Robert Daygame [00:28:38]:

This natural lifestyles videos? Can I talk shit about someone public? Is it illegal?

Robbie Kramer [00:28:47]:

I’ve had all those guys on the podcast. They’ve come on all my party trips. That would be some juicy some juicy content, but go for it.

St. Robert Daygame [00:28:54]:

No, I think no, they know the party stuff, right? I just don’t agree with how they coach their game.

Robbie Kramer [00:29:01]:

That’d be really important to hear about that too. Well, I got them into the party scene back in 2017. I helped them host a boot camp in New York for their really advanced guys. And we did all social circle. And then I invited them on the first sort of Playboy yacht trip I did in 2019. And then I’ve got tons of content talking about this whole thing. And then later on when I quit and got kind of out of the game, got married, that’s where I think they started tilted. But before that they were really only doing day game, right? That was like their whole thing. They weren’t into night game at all. It was just day game. So now I think with their elite guys, they do more social circle stuff. But I’m pretty sure from what. I spoke to them recently about most of their boot camps are all very day game focused.

St. Robert Daygame [00:29:48]:

I know they are. I’ve met them on the streets. I’ve heard what they’re teaching and I’ve coached a bunch of guys who have done their books.

Robbie Kramer [00:29:57]:

Yeah, okay.

St. Robert Daygame [00:29:58]:

Because half of my clients have had coaching before from the biggest, basically all the biggest names in the industry. They know their party stuff. I just don’t agree with kind of the next topic we’re going to talk about is natural game versus structured game. When do you use which type of game? And I think they’re teaching it in the wrong part of a day game journey and we’re going to get there. But before we go there, let’s talk about guys are watching content and they want to understand, okay, so what’s good content, what’s bad content, who do I work with? Or they’re thinking about hiring someone like how do I figure out who do I trust? There’s a very simple twist. The formula you can use and it doesn’t matter how good their content is. It doesn’t matter it makes sense. It doesn’t matter that it makes sense and it just clicks with you and it’s yes, this is what I’ve been looking for. So the first step is you try their free content, whatever they are teaching. Maybe they have their signature video series or a free PDF or whatever. Get that, get whatever you can do for free and implement the stuff in your day game. Go out and try do, let’s say $0.50 approach 50 women trying that stuff. At least 50, minimum 50. I’d say if you’re going out a lot then maybe that’s not that much for you. But if you’re daygaming on and off then maybe 50 is a lot. So do that.

Robbie Kramer [00:31:27]:

You need to get an accurate sample size. A minimum of 50 approaches is probably what you need to really get some decent data.

St. Robert Daygame [00:31:38]:

Yeah, like a minimum, that’s a minimum. The 100 is better but start with 50 and then that’s kind of fine.

Robbie Kramer [00:31:43]:

And if a guy has crippling approach anxiety, there’s no way he’s going to even going to do that.

St. Robert Daygame [00:31:48]:

Well he can watch the video and see if that actually helps him overcome the A. He can do that.

Robbie Kramer [00:31:54]:

Okay.

St. Robert Daygame [00:31:55]:

And when he does that then that’s a whole different conversation. AA is a very big topic. We can talk about that another time because I’ve worked with guys with incredible incredibly crazy levels of AA and they’re very hard to work with. But I’ve seen not everyone can succeed but there are guys who can anyway. So you’ve taken the free stuff, the free video series, the free whatever PDF you tried then and you see if that works. If it doesn’t work, either that coach is not for you just because you don’t flick with his material or his material is crap or you’re really bad at implementing it. We will not find out, but it didn’t work out for you. Move to another guy. Just do the same thing with try someone else next. Don’t just straight go for the coaching. Don’t spend however many thousand it costs to hire the guy. Don’t do that because maybe their content is good, but the way they coach is just as good as their content. There wasn’t any added value. You didn’t learn anything new. So most guys who coach, they have something cheap. Maybe they do coaching calls. Maybe they have an online course for beginners or something like that. So do something like that. Get a coaching call with them where you are working with, let’s say, recorded sets, where the guy listens to your sets and then tells you what to do, exactly what mistakes you’re making, exactly how to fix them. You go out, you implement that. You do your 50 sets and you see whether the cheap stuff was way better than their free stuff, and if their free stuff helped you and then their cheap stuff helped you, you can hire them. Like that’s it.

Robbie Kramer [00:33:35]:

Yeah. That’s smart. I mean, that’s what I did with my first coach. It was Lance Mason with Pickup 101 back in 2006, 2005. I got his funny Banter CD deck. It was like $57 or whatever. I listened to it, I applied some of it in the bars and I was like, this works. And then I got on there like $47 a month. Little forum membership thing. Stayed on there for a few months and I took a boot camp.

St. Robert Daygame [00:34:04]:

Exactly. Because we are in this.

Robbie Kramer [00:34:09]:

That was after looking at all the mystery method stuff and all the hardcore pua stuff, which was most of the stuff at that time. Right? And I found Pickup 101, which is way more natural, which is more like a flirty bantery style, which fit my personality. So case in point.

St. Robert Daygame [00:34:24]:

Yeah, the reason why this is so important, because day game is like sales. If you’re good at day game, you’re probably at sales. And if you’re good at sales, you’re going to be good at day game. Sales. Guys are really good in day games. So there’s a lot of guys who can sell their stuff. But I don’t suggest jumping the gun and just like buying it. Do your research, do your homework. Because as I said before, around half or maybe even more, let’s say 50% of the guys I coach have had coaching before. They have heard coaching from the biggest names in the industry, maybe from several of those guys. And then there I am still coaching them. And that’s just because they bought whoever they found. They like the infields, they like what they saw and they bought it. So don’t be the guy going to wasting five k on and then kind of, oh shit, now I got to figure out how do I actually learn their game after doing that. And you’re going to be spending more money. Anyways, that’s the first topic next. And this is going to be a shorter one. Natural game and structured game. I teach structured game, but I like both approaches. And we’re going to talk about when in your day game journey you should be using. Which approach. We’re going to be talking about why natural game is so appealing, why people like natural game. Maybe let’s start with that. If you tell guys, listen, if you want to get really good at day game, you have to learn really good day game. Stop without a stop. I mean, that’s true. If you can’t stop properly, you will not succeed. If your opener is bad, if you’re maybe stacking is a thing we use to get topics to talk about without asking boring questions. Hey, how are you? Where are you going? What do you do? Where are you from? Girl doesn’t care. So there’s a technique called stacking. And if you tell guys you need to learn a good opener, then a good stop, a good opener, then you need to learn a few really good stacks that you’re going to be using over and over again. And then you’re going to kind of learn some structures, some kind of frameworks for storytelling where you can build interesting stories to make them more attracted to you. And if you tell this stuff to guys and then the other option is, well, just be yourself in sets like you’re a cool guy, build your value. Girls will come. Be a natural, just be yourself. So what is going to be more appealing to guys? What is of course, oh yeah, I’m a normal, I’m going to do that. I’m not going to be some freak.

Robbie Kramer [00:36:55]:

Running I don’t want to memorize routines or lines. That’s creepy.

St. Robert Daygame [00:36:59]:

And by the way, just so we’re clear, I am not teaching guys. I’m not telling. Listen, this is the line you have to use. And now go tell that line to girls. And they’re like, they’re going to like, use this story. Use that. No. Yes. When I coach, we have structures, but those structures are it’s a framework, but it’s a plug and play thing where, hey, here’s a framework. Let’s use this framework to build stories about your life that you can use. Let’s use opener. Let’s create openers that will work with your personality. Let’s have stacks that work for you. You don’t have to run around and tell to every girl like, oh, hey, you look cute. Like, you look French. That’s what everyone’s doing from London. Day game model. Most guys who do London Day Game Model beginners, they’re running around and just stacking, oh, you look French, you look Swedish. And that’s what they’re doing. That’s not what I’m talking about.

Robbie Kramer [00:37:52]:

I’d be curious. Do you think it’d be valuable for me to because I’m totally in agreement with everything you’re saying. And that’s essentially the model that I’ve been teaching, which is, first, learn to stop. I teach you guys a framework for coming up with their own openers, and then there’s a few stock ones that work in any situation. Like, hey, not to be that creepy guy that hits on you in the Starbucks, but I got to be that guy, right? And then I promise I’m only one third creepy. Like after they laugh, right? That’s kind of my main go to. I love to use that one because I’ve had so much success with it, and any guy can say that, and no girl is going to be like, that’s a line. Right? But then I teach another thing, which I call the play by play, which is a simple way to basically tell her exactly what you’re doing, but in a way that kind of frames it in, like a funny way, right? And be like, so I saw you across the street. I was considering running across the street. I noticed a huge truck was coming by, but I knew if I beat that truck the other side, I wouldn’t die. So this is me coming to meet you. I almost got killed by that truck. I deserve a medal. Where I come from, nothing wrong with.

St. Robert Daygame [00:39:01]:

A dolphinner, I think, especially if you are someone who’s naturally good with people, you take the same line and you give it to an introverted guy who’s not good with people and has a lot of, like, a strong approach anxiety, and it’s going to be a disaster. I teach that as creepy, for sure.

Robbie Kramer [00:39:22]:

I teach that play by play is a very advanced sort of thing. Once you graduate past the bullshit kind of training wheels, then you can use that, but okay, cool. And that’s what I love.

St. Robert Daygame [00:39:31]:

You can definitely there’s nothing wrong with that. I joked that I could probably open with something cheesy, like, hey, girl. There comes a level where just wipe takes over and the technique kind of goes away. And she knows what’s up when you open, and she knows that. I’ve asked girls after the same delay, same delays, when you meet a girl and then you take her to a bar and then home and then sleep with her from day game on the same day without interruptions. And I’ve asked them, hey, when did you decide you’re going to sleep with me? I’ve had girls who said, when you said hi, I saw your eyes and I knew, this is the guy. This is the guy I’m going to have fun with. But yeah, with a complete beginner, that will not work. Yeah, I can use very different types of openers and be very creative, and it’s going to work. But when a beginner tries that, it’s just not going to work. And we’re going to come back to this topic a little bit later. So let’s start with the conversation. Not natural game and structured game, but we’re going to start with natural game versus structured game. Because I’ve met many guys because I travel, I’m a day gamer. I have a small following but I get recognized in almost every city I go to. Like in Buenos Aires we were sitting with buddies in a barn and some guy walked up with a video of mine and I’m sitting there with my girlfriend. It’s like, hey, is it you?

Robbie Kramer [00:41:01]:

Right.

St. Robert Daygame [00:41:03]:

So I meet a lot of day gamers and they all have their beliefs. They all have their favorite YouTube channels, they all have their favorite books and approaches to day game and they really believe that that’s the way to go and they are right. I look at only one thing, I look at how they’re doing in day game. That’s all I care about. I don’t care about anything else. And the really harsh reality is almost all of the day gamers who are doing good, who I’ve met in my life became good because of structured game. That’s it. I’ve met very few guys who used natural approach to day game and got good. And here is the exception when that happened, just as we talked before, a guy who is in general really good with really good with people, social guy, he’s into sales or something like that and no AA. And maybe he partied maybe he has a bunch of plays from online or social circle and then he starts daygaming and then that guy I know this dude is like he’s pretty short but he had this long hair. He was like pretty broad shoulders like you know, that hip surfer boy. And he’s a nomad all in tattoos and super positive dude. One of the most positive dudes I know, that dude, you give him any approach to day game, he’s going to be doing good. That’s the same kind of argument that people have about diets. Like if you are eating junk food all day, whatever diet you try is going to work. For some guys, whatever they’re trying, it’s just going to work because when you’re talking with an average guy, unfortunately, based on the results I’ve seen, based on the guys I’ve met, structured game works better for learning day game, period. But we come to like a weird point. You learn structured game, you learn a good stop or a few good stops. You learn a few good openers, not copy paste stuff you figured out that would work for you. Some of them good ways to get topics and interesting stories. And you do that at the end of the day you’re going to be saying the same stuff to every girl, using the same stories all the time and it’s all going to be completely copy paste and is that who you want to be long term? And I don’t want to be like that long term. And that’s where we come to natural game. The better you get a day game, the more you can start dropping off the training wheels and freestyling more and just go and then just let it out, whatever comes out. And that’s how you’re going to come up with amazing new stories. When you let go of the old stories, that’s how you learn new stories. And this is actually when at the end we’re going to be talking about the four phases day gamers go through. This is one of the phases. The guys who were getting doing pretty good at day game, let’s say guys like eight, maybe ten day game legs, maybe even more. But they are good in the situations that they’re good at. One situation like a street single girl place to stop. They’re really good at that, right? But as soon as it’s in a bar, in a store, it’s a two cent, it’s a girl who’s a really nice girl, it’s a girl who doesn’t speak perfect English or whatever language the guy is daygaming in. These guys are really struggling with it. They’re amazing. One trick ponies, that’s their biggest kind of problem. And this is where you start playing. You start putting yourself in different situations. You’re starting to think outside of the box, outside of the structure. Because when guys are learning day game and they’re just being going in a set and just being themselves, the problem is they don’t yet know what girls like. They haven’t learned what type of stories girls react good to, what type of attitude is a good one to have in a conversation? What is a bad one? If they start learning day game with a structured approach, they put in the reps. They simply learn what works. They get many reference experiences. They see oh, I did this and I had a bad response but I did these things which were a bit more kind of within the framework of structured day game and oh my God, it works. So they learn what works from experience and then once they have let’s say maybe 15 day games I know it’s a lot for some guys but once they are at that level they can slowly start dropping those training wheels. They can think outside of the box, they can start experimenting and then the goal at the end is to become a natural. Natural game is an incredible idea. I love the idea. But unfortunately you don’t get to natural game by learning natural game. You start with structured and then you transition into natural. And this is how natural game and structured day game actually works hand in hand. People start with one and then transition to the other. It’s one plus one equals three or even more. It’s not one or the other, it’s both. And again we have this big fight in the online communities between structured game and then natural.

Robbie Kramer [00:46:36]:

I haven’t really seen what the natural lifestyle guys coaching I know they, you’re saying their sort of style is is more natural than a structured style.

St. Robert Daygame [00:46:51]:

Structured. But actually I’ve heard them teach boot camps, and I’ve heard them explain some structure, actually a little bit of structure in the boot camps. So they’re not as natural as the name would as the name I suggest they’re not as natural.

Robbie Kramer [00:47:08]:

One time I went out with their really advanced guys. They asked me to fill in for them when they were in New York City and we were doing that other sort of social circle, advanced partying stuff, and I was listening to what they were doing and it was pretty similar to kind of what the students that I have coached were doing. But I think those guys were already pretty decent day gamers. I haven’t seen when they coach like total newbies, but it sounds like you and I have a similar sort of coaching style because I’m extreme. Like, if you can’t stop a girl, there’s no point in even doing anything else. Then it’s like you need to have an opener that works for you that you can kind of go to any time, and you need to structure for coming up with new stuff. And then you need to stack a few things to get in the conversation. Because if you immediately go into Walter Cronkite sort of boring question mode, that doesn’t work either.

St. Robert Daygame [00:48:00]:

Right.

Robbie Kramer [00:48:03]:

Yeah.

St. Robert Daygame [00:48:03]:

Okay.

Robbie Kramer [00:48:04]:

Got it. I think we’re all the same stuff.

St. Robert Daygame [00:48:05]:

That I like from what I and I haven’t watched a lot of their content because for obvious reasons, just because I don’t watch dating content in general, I don’t do it. I’ve learned what I needed to learn, and I’m not really interested in there’s a point of diminishing returns. So I like some concepts, but they’re going to work for a very small percentage of people from the get go. You already have to be very social and pretty okay. But if you need a bit more structure, if you are a bit more introverted, if you have a little bit more AA and you haven’t historically been doing incredible with girls, at least in your age, maybe you did. When you’re 20, but then you’re 40 and you’re doing terrible. And now you want to start day gaming. Well, you’re going to need a little bit more structure. So that’s kind of the problem. And of course, with all these companies, it really depends on who you are getting coached by. And by the way, one thing I know about one big company, which I’m not going to name this will be too dirty, but I literally know that when they film their boot camps, they figure out who’s going to be fine with being on camera. And the best coaches are going to be coaching the guy who’s fine with being on camera, because they show that that guy is getting results.

Robbie Kramer [00:49:22]:

Right.

St. Robert Daygame [00:49:23]:

And I think that is very dirty. I think that is legit unethical. That’s why I’m kind of always telling guys, be super careful. Do those three steps. Check their free stuff, get something cheap. Preferably if they have multiple coaches. Get a coaching call just so you see that. Okay. That you’re going to be working with this guy who you had a coaching call with. Not you have a coaching call from the best guy, and then some random dude is coaching you. Don’t let them hand you off to someone else. You’re legally protected. They can’t do that. Actually make sure they can do that just so you get what you pay for. If you don’t then ask for a refund. They say, oh, you’re going to get called by someone else you’re like. Pay for that. Okay? Now the third big topic I want to talk about, I want to talk about infield recordings and like a big problem with info recordings. There are a few reasons why guys watch infield recordings. Mainly the two biggest ones is credibility to understand whether the guy they like, whether that guy is credible, whether he’s actually good at day game. And that’s actually kind of like a funny thing. You’re going to see why in a minute. And the second reason is to learn day game. So let’s break down these two reasons to watch day game info recordings on YouTube. And let’s start with credibility. You see number clauses, you see these kiss clauses or whatever. But the thing you don’t see is that a lot of them are super flaky. And the quality of the sets that you see in a lot of infields is just all you need to get a number close. You have to become pretty decent at teasing and an average day game student knows enough teasing. After one and a half, two days of coaching the sets an average day game student will be running after two days of coaching will be the quality of sets that you will find on YouTube. And the guys who are watching, they don’t know that. So I have a very simple question. Let’s say someone is a beginner or intermediate day gamer and they want to understand whether this guy is a credible good day gamer, the guy whose content they’re watching. So when they watch these guys infields so how does a beginner or an intermediate day gamer know that the infield they watched is a good infield? They don’t because they don’t know how a good set looks like. An advanced day gamer can look at a day game infield even when that infield is a very different type of infield, different approach to game and different models, different whatever. And he will be able to more or less understand if that’s a very good set or a shitty set. And if it’s a guy who learns structured game and he’s watching an infield from a structured day gamer, he will understand that it’s a good, really good set. And with watching different models you have to be exposed to very different types of day game to judge different types of sets. But the problem with credibility coming from Infield recordings is that the guys who are looking for credibility aren’t able to judge that credibility, aren’t able to judge the set and understand whether that’s a good or a bad set. Actually, the typical Infills, you see these high energy day game sets where you see that the girl really likes the guy and she’s responding so well, she’s giggling and she gives the guy the number and all those things. Almost all of those sets flake because it was too high energy. Good day game sets are boring. There’s nothing exciting about a good day game set. And this kind of brings us to the second reason why guys are watching Infields to learn day game.

Robbie Kramer [00:53:25]:

I agree, just to interject, I agree that they can’t successfully judge whether it’s good or bad. And it’s a lot of bias there. The only value I ever got in watching Infield videos was mostly from YouTubers who had funny shit to say that I could then be like, oh, okay, I’m going to use that Infield. Like, I watched Vitali, right? Like King Vitali. He’s a YouTube prankster, and he had this hilarious video where he asked a girl, he’d like, go up and he has three questions are you single? To fuck, what was it? First, do you find me attractive? Right? Second, are you single? Third, what’s your excuse for not making out with me right now? And then he’d just go in and make out with these girls, right? So it’s like, who knows if they were staged or not, but I’m sure some of them are real. He’s a pretty charismatic, funny guy, right? And I’m like, Fuck, I could do that. I actually did that to pull a threesome. Went up to a girl with my girlfriend and I was like, Three questions. One, do you find us both independently attractive? She’s like, yes. Are you single? Yes. What’s your excuse for not making out with us right now? And then I just put the girls heads together and they kiss, and then we kiss and we have threesome, right? So I’m like that’s. Valuable. I feel like finding funny content and then making it your own and using it can be valuable. But that’s not really what you’re talking about, I think.

St. Robert Daygame [00:54:56]:

Yes, no, that is actually. We’re going to get back to what you just told, which is a great use for Infields, but it’s not for beginners, right? A beginner is making mistakes in the basics, in the fundamentals. They’re messing up the open and the teasing and story. They’re just all over the place. And their day game is what they need is to build some fundamentals run, like a super basic set. Just learn to drive a car straight. Learn to get your job in a car. You can learn all the fancy stuff later. Learn the basics. Learn not to burn those sets. Learn to not be a moron when you go in. Learn to just you’re not going to be great at day game, but you don’t pick enough girls, you’re going to be getting late.

Robbie Kramer [00:55:51]:

I think we should maybe not right now, but at some point set expectations for what different guys can maybe expect as they’re getting into a game.

St. Robert Daygame [00:56:00]:

It’s a very good topic if you’re willing to talk about the topic, because a lot of people are not willing to talk about the topic. They don’t like those real numbers when I give it.

Robbie Kramer [00:56:10]:

Let’s talk about that.

St. Robert Daygame [00:56:11]:

Yeah, we can go into let’s put that in the plans. Okay. So when a beginner who doesn’t know the fundamentals, he watches these influence. He watches what was the guy vitali? Or what was the guy vitali? TV. Yeah, he sees that and then he thinks, oh, that’s what I need to get laid. And then he goes and tries to implement maybe not that, but something similar in his sets, or he wouldn’t have.

Robbie Kramer [00:56:40]:

The balls to do that. If he’s a beginner, maybe he sees.

St. Robert Daygame [00:56:43]:

Some other stuff in the midfield, you know, like a Maradona move where you shake a girl’s hand, but then you don’t really let it go until she kind of pulls her hand away. It’s another one. I don’t see a point of that move, but a lot of guys love that move. It’s a legit move. It’s a working move. I don’t do it. It’s tom pereira’s move. I don’t understand. Why would you do that? And a beginner takes that and thinks that, oh, that’s what I need to do to get good a day game. No, their fundamentals are fundamentally wrong. There’s a mess in fundamentals they need to fix, and then when they fix their fundamentals, they’re going to be getting laid. When I started day gaming, I loved infields because they were motivational for me. I had very strong AA. It took me two weeks of going out almost every day for more or less 2 hours to do my first ever day game set. So when someone I’m coaching says they have AA, I had a voice AA.

Robbie Kramer [00:57:50]:

I think I might have had it worse than you. I took a boot camp because I had crippling AA and I could do it at the boot camp when the guys were pushing me. And then I went back home to San Diego and I couldn’t do it. I had to take two more boot camps before I could actually do it. My AA cost me about $7,500, I think.

St. Robert Daygame [00:58:10]:

Something like that. Yeah, that’s actually a legit problem. It’s kind of different when I work with someone who was very strong AA, I like to know that that’s their thing. And there are things we do differently just to kind of make that likelihood of them being able to continue when they’re back home much, much higher.

Robbie Kramer [00:58:31]:

That’s why I don’t do the boot camp model either, because I’m like, fuck, no one should have to spend. That much money to get over this basic thing, which was the only option for me at the time. Now I teach my guys how they can get over AA before they ever meet me in person. But I digress.

St. Robert Daygame [00:58:48]:

That’s a good idea. I think AA for a lot of guys, for some guys, they need coaching for that and others don’t. Others just need some accountability and things like that. And of course, I think it’s not a big percentage of guys who get coaching because of AA. I think they just want to learn really fast and that’s going to be like, okay, teach me everything in a weekend and let’s go. I don’t have three months to learn day game.

Robbie Kramer [00:59:17]:

Right.

St. Robert Daygame [00:59:17]:

And as long as they understand that they have to do some day game before to get that out of coaching, I think that’s fine. So anyways, back to the infields. So in the beginning, I was just watching them because they were inspirational. I don’t think I was learning much from them. But then after more or less, I got to 50 lays. Oh my God. Infields were like, I learned from infields when I had watched all the theory that I needed and I had implemented it as good as I could. That’s when I watched some high quality infills that, by the way, good infills are not available for free on YouTube. Like, forget it. People who can do good infills will sell those infills, those infill products, and you’re going to be paying a few hundred bucks to see those infills. So I watched Tom Torero’s stealthduction, incredible infill product, not available anymore after his passing and cancellation.

Robbie Kramer [01:00:19]:

Or he was just canceled.

St. Robert Daygame [01:00:20]:

No, he was canceled and then he committed suicide a little bit later.

Robbie Kramer [01:00:24]:

Yeah, I did hear about that.

St. Robert Daygame [01:00:27]:

Yeah, it shook the whole day game community, but it made a lot of guys think about kind of these traditional day game beliefs that, oh, you can never have a relationship, you’re a day gamer, and that the relationships don’t work. And then a lot of people started questioning because he wasn’t the first guy. And there have been cases before, and there have been cases, guys completely switching to the other extreme and becoming very religious.

Robbie Kramer [01:00:55]:

Like ruse, right?

St. Robert Daygame [01:00:56]:

Yeah, ruse. And then in his forum, you couldn’t post anything about dating anymore. And you have guys that have become kind of pretty much nazis in their blogs and then some of the biggest names in industry. And after that, a lot of people in the sphere started kind of looking at all these old school day gamers. They were incredible day gamers, but they were kind of like, okay, these guys were incredible day gamers, but some things aren’t working that well for their life. Maybe that’s not where I want to go. Anyway. I had learned all the fundamentals and I couldn’t understand, how do I learn more? And what I did is I started watching really good infields. And I noticed in infields things that no one had explained in theory videos. I noticed extremely small things that they were doing in sets. And then that again, took my game to the next level. So that’s where I think infields are an incredible thing. If you are an intermediate day gamer with maybe like eight plus lays, then that’s where you should start watching infields. And now the last thing I want to talk about. Finally, let’s talk about the webinar that we’re doing and the four phases of day game journey. Because there are several phases day gamers go through. And this is sort of when you’re looking at technical advice, step by step stuff, what do I do here, what do I do there, how do I get to the next level? If you go to the gym and you ask the rep guy what’s your workout plan? His workout plan is not going to work for me. I’m not yet there and I need something different. I’m a beginner. But guys are looking for challenging, like learn to improve your challenging or qualification or learn same delays and whatnot. Well, maybe if you are a complete beginner and you’re struggling with basic openers, maybe that’s not what you should be focusing on. You have to look at what are like 80 20 of day game. You have to look at what few small things I can learn in where I am in my day game journey right now will get me the biggest results. And those things are completely different depending on where you are in your day game journey. And I have divided this in four phases. I have a microscope, like a very small online course about that. But this is the same stuff we’re going to be talking about on the webinar. So let’s go over those four phases. Phase number one is will you have to overcome approach anxiety and put in enough volume. Going to a gym once a week won’t work and day gaming once a week won’t work either. So that’s number one. And for a lot of guys, this is very big because AA is a big problem for a lot of guys. It was for me. And I thought once I overcome AA, once I can talk to girls, it’s going to happen, it’s going to be amazing. But well, unfortunately, AA is just the first phase and once you overcome that, then you can move to the next phase. But how do you know when to move from one phase to the next phase? Because someone might be listening to us and thinking, well, I’ve been daygaming for like three years. I’m respected in these and these online codeguan communities. I’m an intermediate daygiver. I’m in phase three. Well, the only way, and this is important, the only way you understand in which phase you are is based on your results. It doesn’t matter how credible you are, how whatever it’s all about your results. I think you have to stay in phase one and focus on your AA. If you can do 25 sites in a week, a few weeks in a row, that’s the only thing you should be focusing. You shouldn’t be focusing on how to pull her fast, how to set up a day game, freeze them. But once you do that, you move to phase two and that’s where you’re putting enough in volume. Now you have to learn day game fundamentals. You have to do all those basic stuff, build a good fundament so you can then add all the advanced stuff and you stay in this phase. And there are several things you have to focus on here. We’re going to be talking about that on the webinar here. You stay until you have eight day gameplays. Why eight? Because, well, you got to five. That kind of makes sense. Like you have decent day game, but then maybe you’re a good looking guy who just got lucky. So we add a few more just in case. And I think eight is a good number. If you can get to eight day game late, it means that most likely you are pretty decent at day game fundamentals. Once you’re here, you’ll start getting late consistently. And this is actually a very easy phase because all you have to do is fix the big basic mistakes you’re making and then once you’re there, you get to the third phase and it’s very important what got you through the second phase. If you keep doing that, you’re going to stay at the same level. To graduate from the third phase, from the phase of mastering day game, you have to learn completely different things because you’re basically a one trick pony. You have the fundamentals. You are probably good at one or two things and that’s it. And if you want to get to the next level, well, that’s where you start learning completely different things and you graduate from the third phase. When you have, I would say, 30 day game lays, you definitely have some same delays. And if you have some day game three sums, then props to you. That’s really good. This is the paradise. The phase three is kind of day game paradise. You are just getting laid left and right. The girls that everyone’s in some community and girls are complaining, oh, I met this good girl and she never does this well. When you are at this level, you’re going to be posting layer reports in that community about a good girl who’s never slept with anyone before the fifth date, you had a same delay with her and then like a month later you had a threesome with her. That’s kind of the level. Of course that doesn’t mean you’re going to be sleeping with all the girls you’re open. You’re still going to be sleeping with the expectations part. One out of 30 girls you approach if you’re really, really good. But that’s kind of the third phase and you have to go each of these phases require you to focus on completely different things. And the last the fourth phase is if guys want to find a girlfriend, then well, we’re going to be talking about the phase, how to find a girlfriend from Day Game. That’s it. I covered all the notes that I prepared. Oh, my God. Unbelievable.

Robbie Kramer [01:07:32]:

Well, I’m excited to do the webinar and get into that. I was trying to see where I fell into those stages. You’re married? I don’t know how many lays I had. I would guess around 30.

St. Robert Daygame [01:07:46]:

Yeah, but you have a lot of lays from other sources.

Robbie Kramer [01:07:49]:

No, sorry. Day Game. I’m only talking about Day game. I probably had around 30. Had probably three or four same day immediate ones. Never did a Day game threesome. So that one had a gazillion other threesomes. But what happened with me specifically, and maybe we’ll get into this on the webinar was I found that eventually the quality of girl that I could get from day game wasn’t nearly as high as the quality of girl. I could get through the social circle strategies that I learned that I was just like I feel like me going up to this girl and the act of doing day game was so much of a status lowering situation that the hottest, the nines and the tens would just kind of be like, that’s cute. You’re fun, you’re cool. But the fact that you’re doing this means you’re probably not a guy that I would date. And then I tried to come up with a way to kind of beat that by not asking them out and funneling them into parties and social events. And that kind of worked. And I tried this both in La. New York and Ukraine, but then I started doing the trips and it was just like day Game became useless and up and just no point in even wasting my time because I had so many leads. However, when I did get I had a bad breakup and I was feeling down and just like what I always did to get my inner game back on track was I’d go out and I’d do Day Game because that would really just kind of it’s like the most pure form of social interactions. See a stranger you’re attracted to, cute girl on the street, you go talk to her. Right, as we mentioned earlier. So that’ll be fun to kind of dive into those topics and discuss one.

St. Robert Daygame [01:09:29]:

Last thing because I liked what you just said. I really like, this is what I want to kind of finish on. Day Game isn’t the best way to get laid for everyone. Sure there are guys who look at it. Yeah, like this didn’t work with that type of girl. That type of girl or Day Game definitely isn’t the end of all. I think part of becoming really good is kind of figuring out what works for you and what’s your best environment. But if you look at what’s the best way to learn to communicate with women and to improve your dating skills wherever you’re going to use them later, I don’t know a better option than Day Game because you put in the volume you have unlimited gross approach and just polish everything and get those reference experiences, get those numbers and dates and lays and all these adventures and regulars and have your fun. And then if you ledger decide that there’s something else you like maybe the social circle parties or conferences or some guys discover like the world of BDSM and they go there. So that’s where Day game comes in.

Robbie Kramer [01:10:39]:

I agree. That was my journey. Yeah. And that’s what I tell the guys I work with. I say Day Game is like the deadlifting of exercise, right? It’s like if you can do this thing and you can do it well, you’re going to succeed no matter what and it’s going to fix your inner game issues almost always. That’s why I’m such a big proponent of it, obviously. So dude, I’m super excited for the webinar we’re going to do. If anyone listened to this and they want to find you, where can they go and hear more of your stuff?

St. Robert Daygame [01:11:12]:

They can just sign up for the webinar. Link is probably going to be in description. They can just do that. And the webinar, we’re going to make it so that even the guys who for whatever reason don’t make it to the webinar, I’m going to upload the recording on my platform because I have a platform for my online courses and everything and that video is going to be available there for free for a while. So even if you sign up and don’t make it to the webinar, you’re going to have the recording. You can go back to it and when you sign up for it, I’m going to also send you the best stuff to watch like some videos, et cetera, after the webinar, not before. So I think that’s just the best thing to do. Just go in the description, click the link, enter your email. There you’re going to get all the details in the email and that’s it.

Robbie Kramer [01:12:00]:

Cool. Yeah, we should definitely discuss the expectations, what guys can realistically expect to achieve on the Day Game journey.

St. Robert Daygame [01:12:10]:

Different, maybe guys, different ages, different countries.

Robbie Kramer [01:12:14]:

Yeah, I’m excited for it. It’ll be fun.

St. Robert Daygame [01:12:16]:

Yeah, we can do that in like a month or so. Yeah, it’s a good topic.

Robbie Kramer [01:12:21]:

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